Donkey Test Question #1...

[Cracker]

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[ProPokerPlayer]

I voted for 2-7 thinking it would be worse cus 23 can make a straight but actually the 7 high and the fact that 2-7 can make 2 different straights gives it a slight edge....

1,124,018,280 games 3.813 secs 294,785,806 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 13.673% 12.15% 01.53% 136533563 17150841.75 { 3s2h }
Hand 1: 15.440% 13.79% 01.65% 155047939 18505319.25 { 7c2d }
Hand 2: 44.493% 43.74% 00.75% 491625023 8484812.25 { KdJh }
Hand 3: 26.394% 25.03% 01.37% 281305204 15365577.75 { random }

 

[Cracker]

I voted for 2-7 thinking it would be worse cus 23 can make a straight but actually the 7 high and the fact that 2-7 can make 2 different straights gives it a slight edge....

1,124,018,280 games 3.813 secs 294,785,806 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 13.673% 12.15% 01.53% 136533563 17150841.75 { 3s2h }
Hand 1: 15.440% 13.79% 01.65% 155047939 18505319.25 { 7c2d }
Hand 2: 44.493% 43.74% 00.75% 491625023 8484812.25 { KdJh }
Hand 3: 26.394% 25.03% 01.37% 281305204 15365577.75 { random }

not to mention 2-3 is dominated by 2-7. Granted 2-3 against 2-7 all in preflop is prolly going to have a lot of chopped pots however if you are holding 2-3 you have only 3 outs without hitting the straight or a 4 card Flush.

 

[Hookandcrook+]

2-7 off

 

[Cracker]

2-7 off

Why?

 

[billhill999]

Why?

Because you can't make a straight or a flush with it.

 

[Cracker]

Can't make a straight of flush with 2-7 off?

You can make a 4 card flush or a 4 card straight with 2-7 off. If your 2-3 is made to a straight by 3-4-5-6 on the board, 7 high straight beats 6 high straight.

The numbers in PPP's post show statistically that the worst hand is 2-3 off.

2-7 dominates 2-3 just like AJ is dominated by AK.

 

[the_czar]

in heads up 2 Spades & 7 diamonds vs. 2 clubs & 3 spades

2-7 would win 55.62% of the time
2-3 would win 25.96% of the time
chop 18.42% of the time

 

[Cracker]

in heads up 2 Spades & 7 diamonds vs. 2 clubs & 3 spades

2-7 would win 55.62% of the time
2-3 would win 25.96% of the time
chop 18.42% of the time

THANK YOU Czar

 

[HonestRob]

It's 23o. In a multi-way pot 23o would have more equity because of it's ability to make a straight but HU 27o has higher equity because of the 7's high card value.

 

[papicker]

i cant believe so many ppl answered 27, of course 7 high will beat 3 high heads up.

 

[Ewindz475]

It's 2 3 and thats a fact.. Literally a fact.. This is not an opinion question.

 

[Buffalo66]

If heads up, then 2,3 offsuit is the worst possible hand.

 

[pubguy]

The question wasn't 2-3o vs 2-7o. Obviously 2-7 dominates in that situation.

 

[bookieskatrina]

useless thread! why even argue it? It will never happen.

 

[Fishhead]

More spots than not, 2-7 is the worst.

 

[maheha]

wow its a pretty simple answer, the key to understand is heads up, heads up 23o is the worst starting hand because given the range of your opponent you have pretty much no value in playing it. In pots where there are multiple players, 2-7 is worse because 23 (as most connecters) plays much better to get paid off because it has chances to hit more disguised powerful hands, EG. on an A 4 5 board your 23 stands to get paid much much more of the time (vs AK, AQ, etc.) than playing 27 in a multi way pot on a board of 7 7 2 or another flop of that sort...

 

[Hookandcrook+]

The question wasn't 2-3o vs 2-7o. Obviously 2-7 dominates in that situation.

Exactly......

 

[ECS]

Ill take 27, their are a % of hands you are ahead, where with 23 you are ahead of nothing

 

[ExqusiteHoopster]

Jk